Does anyone actually use linux




















They might. They might not. Windows does not suffer from this issue. It will work. Don't get me wrong, Linux's various distros have come a long way in addressing compatibility and dependency issues for their software repositories. But, from my view, it's still too much of a disaster for big corps to make the investment in developing their big App suites for Linux.

Once big name corps, like Adobe and Microsoft for example, start pushing out Linux versions of their flagship products, Linux will have arrived.

But until then Those who are able have been willing to pay the price of a little inconvenience for that. In professional settings, against casual attackers this still holds true. In daily life? The attack surface is too big, the job of securing things too complicated, the likely attack is more often social engineering than technical, and state level actors can compromise the system at lower levels outside the scope of the kernel.

They can. But every time there's a show stopper. Mostly unable to run my Engineering programs, PCB design, etc. But also a vague feeling that it was written by amateurs. Poor documentation, configuration files scattered everywhere, childish images and colour schemes.

Inconsistencies with the GUI. Whatever, I'm certainly no fan of Windows. I keep hoping that something. It's been 70 years since the standardization of the metric system, which is arguably superior to Imperial units in every way -- but Americans still use the latter, because it's what they were taught, and what they know, and what they are comfortable with.

It's been 38 years since the standardization of the Dvorak keyboard layout, which is faster to type with than the Qwerty layout, and yet very few people use Dvorak, because Qwerty is what they were taught, and what they know, and what they are comfortable w.

I don't run Linux as my primary native desktops but do run it on my laptop and in a bunch of VMs. The primary reasons are:. Perhaps , when forced to Win 10, I will downgrade to a single Win desktop with RDP access for the family for use of essential "Windows Only" software -- but that will depend on the state of Linux desktop then and, my hopes are not high.

For many users, Outlook and Excel are the reason. Granted, the Outlook web interface is pretty good, but it does not quite equal the native client. With Excel, the Linux alternatives are poorly known and a point of often unjustified concern. I'll add that the Excel interface is generally better than the open source alternatives as well, particularly with things like column fills and conditional formatting. Finally, let's think about graphics and sound, which are still sketchy way too often on Linux after all these years.

Just a month ago, I watched a skilled Linux sysadmin spend days trying to get a 3-monitor setup to work properly. He ultimately succeeded, but what a nightmare! How many times does it have to be explained before it finally sinks in? Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. It isn't because we like Microsoft. It isn't because we hate Linux. I use both depending on what I'm doing. It's the same damn problem VR has.

Developers don't want to commit resources to something that so few use while, at the same time, so few will consider it because very little is developed for it. There may be some open source alternatives but, none of them quite stack up to their established commercial brethren. Right now I am reasonable convinced that Windows is the best solution for me, although I miss Linux often.

The biggest issue for me is the availability of software. Here are some immediate ones that come to mind:. I bought a lifetime license for Crossover Linux because I wanted to support the Wine project. Wine will allow me to get by with an older version of Office rather well, actually and some other useful software like the Epson wireless projection utility.

The other items on my list don't work well with the latest version of Crossover. Windows also has better search from the start menu for documents and applications, something that only KDE seems to do well, and KDE has its own problems. Don't get me wrong, I spend a lot of time removing all of the asinine parts of Windows 10 from a Powershell session when I do a clean install, but that's not much different than the scripts I use to configure Linux distributions after I install.

The addition of the Windows Subsystem for Linux also provides a lot of missing functionality although it is much slower. I know the VM solution will probably come up here, but I feel that if I have to use a Windows VM for certain tasks and a Linux host for others, I'm forced to configure two systems for my personal machine and that's time I don't have. I've thought about this recently, and it goes something like this: I think there are some rings which help categorize whether using Linux makes sense Ring 2: Server Applications.

Ring 4: High Level Desktop Applications. Rings 1 and 2 are things that software developers tend to know a lot about, making it very easy to code them well. In most cases, software fitting into those categories are superior to Windows-only applications. The LAMP stack is basically the default for web hosting at this point, and plenty of software-based routers run on Linux or BSD while doing that on Windows is almost comical to suggest. Ring 3 is pretty mature in general at this point, but it's pretty easy to need a particular function in Excel that isn't available in Calc or some such.

The more complex the needs are for a particular application, the more likely the Linux equivalent is going to be a bit of a problem. Even if it can handle it, the learning curve makes it undesirable without an even bigger reason to do it.

Ring 4 is hit-or-miss. Content creation creeps along on Linux, but it's far from mature, and lots of plugins aren't available for the platform. Lots of high profile use cases simply require Windows or possibly OSX because there's no reason to develop for what will likely be a support nightmare, and even if one vendor tries to standardize support on Ubuntu, everyone's SoL if the next vendor standardizes on CentOS.

On the dubiously-good side for Linux adoption, the everything-in-a-web-browser trend makes the number of software titles requiring support to decrease as time marches on, making it easier to switch. However, anybody arguing that it's easy to switch has clearly never worked in tier 1 tech support. If all you do is email, web browsing, word processing and spreadsheets, linux is fine For CAD, CAM, electronic design, PCB layout, image editing, video editing, music production, and other specialized stuff, you NEED windows Please don't tell me that there are alternatives for all of these on linux.

Yeah, they exist. I have heard that Microsoft used the BSD stack for their networking. If so, msft must have worked overtime to make it suck.

Workgroups, homegroups, only having selective versions of Windows that can join a domain. It's a mess, and getting worse. Aside from that, in my experience, msft networking just does not reliably work. Copy a large number file from one box to another, and many of the files may get dropped; or it may crap out halfway through. There are ways to do this more reliably, but you should not have to use special hacks. I was recently asked to help somebody move her files from an XP box, to a Windows 10 home version box.

She wants the XP box set up so she can go through it, and copy what she wants where she wants. Should be nothing to it, but it's actually a pain.

Put both versions of windows on a workgroup, have full admin privileges. But windows will not allow some directories to be shared. I am not the only person who has noticed this. Windows forums are filed with similar complaints. Msft offers help pages on this sort of thing. But msft's documentation simply does not work. Msft instructs users to follow a particular procedure, but the OS will not allow it. Crap documentation for a crap OS. Until any version of Linux can run Photoshop or Capture One or as someone below said, AutoCAD , or any other mainstream software which people use on a regular basis, people are not going to use it, even if it's free.

People want to either insert a disc or download the software and get it to work. The first time. Until this massive obstacle is removed, Linux will be relegated to its insignificance in the personal computer market.

All I want is a computer that can securely have a browser, run emulators for my old school video game roms, play my mp3 collection and play all my movies ripped from DVDs. Can Linux handle all these basic tasks? Even if people wanted to distributing non-trivial commercial software for Linux it's impossible without releasing a dozen different versions to target a sufficiently wide range of distros and versions.

I thought you just needed to make a build for Flatpak or perhaps for Steam Runtime. What am I missing? The rise of steam, mmo's, always online drm and f2p games means the average pc and software consumer is a fucking moron. No, it means that the average pc gamer is a fucking moron. The average PC and software consumer has probably never heard of steam, mmo's, and f2p games.

I don't think it means either of those things. Steam works better for a lot of people than boxed games did. No more lost or scratched discs, lost CD keys, no more infinite updates whenever you have to reinstall.

Built in cross-game chat. It's not perfect, but it helps more people enjoy more games. Windows 10 has been the single best thing Microsoft has ever done for Linux. Well, that and the Vault 7 malware release from the NSA.

That was the day I stopped using Windows 7 and went back to Linux. But even my dad decided to finally abandon Windows for Linux after Microsoft forcefully "upgraded" his machine to Windows 10 without his permission and then failed to properly put back one mystery DLL after downgrading back to Windows 8. Lots of people are using Linux on their phones and tablets these days. Windows users don't realize you have a plethora of desktop options, including making your own if no others appease your likes.

It is the most common reason I hear people say they wont switch. With Steam Play, A shit ton. There is also a good hand full of native AAA titles there is a wiki somewhere dedicated to it if your're really curious. Steam is the best thing to happen to Linux in a long time, they are giving incentive to the people stuck on windows for gaming a reason to switch and abandon the torture. Native games or through Steamplay with Proton?

Here's a database of games tested with Proton, which ones do or do not work. This is a flat out lie. You don't compile on binary Linux distro. You just install and then the installer does its thing and the program is ready. You can get a source distro like Gentoo Linux if you want to learn. Most people can use Debian stable or just some other distro that fits their need. Most people also just have phones or smart tablets today.

They don't use normal PC's today. Most phones are using Android today and that is a Linux distro in it self. Provided the application that you want to use happens to be in your distribution's repository. Many distributions reject certain categories of application on principle. For example, Fedora rejects video game console emulators out of fear that Nintendo might cause Red Hat to spend money on a legal defense.

I have been a Linux user for many years with quite a few different distros and I have to agree with the other guy. I am running Xubuntu right now and nothing 'just works'. A lot of the programs I want to use don't have documentation. Sometimes you have to read the source code even to know what the program is for. In general Linux program documentation is just utter rubbish compared to most Windows programs. They almost always assume that you have the technical expertise of someone who writes compilers for a living.

Very few program installers bother to add menu or desktop launcher entries and it is by no means easy to do that manually. Many programs are from somewhat to very out of date if you try to just do an 'apt install x' and Ubuntu flavours have one of the best software repositories in the Linux world. Really only Arch Linux can compete. So you have to google the program and hope they have a ppa and many don't and even when they do they are sometimes out of date and when you try to install an out of date ppa it screws up the entire software installation system until you fix the problem which is by no means easy or straightforward.

Installing programs on Linux is often like wrestling an alligator naked. It's almost always a massive massive struggle and yes it isn't that unusual for you to be expected to compile from source and without any instructions on how to do so. Sometimes you get lucky and there is a Snap or Appimage or Flatpack which makes the installation more like Windows, sort of automagical when it works which it doesn't always.

Frequently such packages cause problems when you actually try to run the program because the program was not originally written with that sort of installation in mind or because the installer hasn't been updated for 3 years. Overall I like Linux better than Windows, but that is only because Windows sucks so very very badly because Microsoft is one of the worst software companies on the planet. But Windows at least has consistent single click installs that really do almost always just work and when someone bothers to write a Windows program they nearly always at least tell you what the program is supposed to do and very very often even tell you how to install and run it.

I hate to say this but I think at least some people who love Linux love it because it is so difficult to use. I think it's kind of an ego thing. Like they want to feel superior to the retardo Window users who would not have a chance in hell of running even the easiest 'desktop' Linux distro. It makes some people feel so very elite, but that's not what an operating system is for. After the Windows 10 OS-as-Adware debacle I decided to finally make a serious effort at doing everything except gaming in Linux, but the people who write Linux software don't make that easy.

So many of them are like, "Uh yeah I wrote this free program it's free so stfu and don't complain! So go read my uncommented source code with different source files if you want to know how to use it or how to install it compile from source baby!

If you want to know why I wrote it you can go fuck yourself. No really. Go buy commercial software if you don't like it. Oh there is almost never any commercial software for Linux? Then go run Windows if you want documentation. Windows developers usually write docs or even manuals Manuals OMG! I have spent weeks trying to figure out how to compile from source a linux web server I really would like to use, but I can't for the life of me figure it out.

It is a massive puzzle or mystery. And no there isn't a binary available. So I had to just give up. I have a Linux server though so that doesn't help me.

It is open source and I have the source code so I could presum. I've got a USB stick in a drawer with a Kubuntu install on it. Plug it in, boot up, click "install", and it does it in about 10 minutes. If that's scary, you can click the other tile and just run it off the USB stick. Making that bootable stick is the hardest part. You have to download a program from the internet, insert a USB stick, and run the installer. Most of our species aren't doing more on any device than what you listed.

And anyone doing more than that is going to have to learn something, even on Windows. You see it's crap like that that gives Linux a bad name. It gives you a nice OS wonderfully out of date with a complicated system to store resident files while at the same time being painfully slow.

Or you are me. You buy a modern XPS, the same one that dell sells with linux. Only you buy it with windows because it was cheaper wtf why was it cheaper? Then you download the latest ubuntu and put it on a usb stick. It fails to launch, so you google and find out you need to add kernel options in order for the install to work.

So you do that and now you can get it to launch, but it's so slow it's almost unusable. You struggle through that and finally get your install. Then you realize that even though you have 16GB of ram, for some reason it only made a 1gb swap partition and now you can't just close the notebook lid and come back to it later, because what you come back to is a kernel panic. So now you start over and do a custom format to get the right sized swap partition.

This time everything works but times you get a kernel panic on resume and you don't know why. So now you are in the terminal and you need to add kernel options that you worked for others until you find the one that works for you. Now you finally have a working notebook and you think, "This is totally ready for my mom to use".

I'll give her the ubuntu install media. There's literally nothing stopping someone nowadays selling Windows apps that are literally just Linux VMs running inside a hypervisor that happens to be on Windows. True cross-platform capability. I wish I could buy a new laptop or desktop computer off the shelf at Staples or Costco and bring it home and have it boot up into some version of Linux instead of MS Windows.

Then buy your laptop somewhere other than Staples or Costco. Buy one at System76 or ThinkPenguin. Tell both of them that they lost your business because they offered nothing but Windows. There may be more comments in this discussion. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead.

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This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. More Login. Archived Discussion Load More Comments. Full Abbreviated Hidden. Not 'free' Score: 5 , Insightful.

Share twitter facebook. Re:Not 'free' Score: 5 , Informative. Not sure what the Chromebook market is overall, but yeah, you're not going to get many people installing an aftermarket OS on their laptop. What is the point? Parent Share twitter facebook. Chrome OS can run exactly one application Score: 4 , Informative. Re: Score: 3. Re:Not 'free' Score: 5 , Funny. Aww it's like a baby Skynet fighting desperately for its life. Press Space then Enter to lose all data Score: 3.

Most Chromebooks support Android apps. Perception of lack of security updates Score: 5 , Insightful. Linus doesn't provide that feeling. So it's daunting. Re:Perception of lack of security updates Score: 5 , Insightful. Available apps, Network effect, Switching cost Score: 5 , Interesting. Speaking as someone who has dual booted since around Yggdrail plug and play Linux Here are the ten most important reasons why. Installing and using Linux on your system is the easiest way to avoid viruses and malware.

The security aspect was kept in mind when developing Linux and it is much less vulnerable to viruses compared to Windows. Programs cannot make changes to the system settings and configuration unless the user is logged in as the root equivalent to the administrator user in Windows user. You can browse the Internet without worrying about your system getting infected. However, users can install ClamAV antivirus software in Linux to further secure their systems. The reason for this higher level of security is that since Linux is open source software, the source code is available for review.

A huge number of developers all over the world have gone through the code, which means that most of the flaws have already been discovered. The Linux system is very stable and is not prone to crashes. The Linux OS runs exactly as fast as it did when first installed, even after several years.

Most of us must have experienced how a freshly installed Windows system runs extremely fast and the same system becomes slow after around six months to one year.

Then, your only option most of the time is to reinstall the OS and all the other software. The uptime for the Linux servers is very high and the availability is around Unlike Windows, you need not reboot a Linux server after every update or patch. Due to this, Linux has the highest number of servers running on the Internet.

According to an article on the zdnet website, Twenty-three out of the Top twenty five websites run on Linux. The two remaining websites in the top twenty five are live. Maintaining the Linux OS is easy, as the user can centrally update the OS and all software installed very easily. All the variants of Linux have their own central software repository, which is used to update the system and keep it safe.

They offer regular updates and the system can be updated without rebooting it. The updating can be done periodically, with just a few clicks, or users can even automate the updating process. Updating a Windows system is not so easy compared to a Linux system. Also, in Windows, all the third party software like Acrobat Reader and Firefox have to be updated individually.

All of us know that with every new release of Windows OS, a huge number of hardware systems become obsolete as their technical specifications are no longer adequate to run the latest Windows OS. Linux installation can be customised for users and for specific hardware requirements.

The installation procedure is very flexible, and allows users to choose the modules they want to install. This allows them to install Linux even on old hardware, thus helping in optimal use of all the hardware resources. Linux runs on a range of hardware, right from supercomputers to watches. You can give new life to your old and slow Windows system by installing a lightweight Linux system, or even run a NAS or media streamer using a particular distribution of Linux.

Linux is completely free and users do not need to pay for anything. All the basic software required by a typical user and even an advanced user are available.

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